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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Aug 17, 2009 11:55pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

basically, using a *very* small piece of flash as part of the overall too allows two *very* nice things for our site:

1) a user can "multi-select" 2+ files at once from the same source dir on their machine. AFAIK *only* flash can do this (very oddly -- i have no idea why -- could be some security model concerns for non-flash file dialogue form elements)

2) the progress of the number of bytes uploaded can be monitored on the *client* for very accurate progress meters w/o having to talk to the servers

there's even some other niceness, too, like being able to check *before* the file starts uploading if it's too big or too small (zero bytes) and avoid hours and hours of an upload before getting an annoying "file too big" error, etc.

hope that helps,
-tracey, archive staff

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 18, 2009 2:43am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

"I have no idea why -- could be some security model concerns for non-flash file dialogue form element"

This could also mean, a reverse in your argument that Flash is good, by suggesting that Flash allows double file uploads despite it being a KNOWN security concern for ITSELF, i.e, the Flash developers chose to overlook security concerns in order to ensure its Flash would become widely used.

After all, most security concerns, patches, updates, relate to things like Flash, Java etc. The old KISS software, was plain, simple and had few concerns, look at the name FLASH, does not suggest all sorts of flashing lights, animations, etc, things that are not needed?

I am thinking of reading news items on a website, plain text, maybe a photograph, its extremely hard to read, because of all the FLASHing adverts on the same web page.

Are you suggesting that FLASH is going to be used on all areas of the IA too, to make it a better "experience" for people, I note already there is a new on-line video player for the IA, I hope you realise that certain up-loaders could upload videos with a PAYLOAD, exploiting bugs or features in Flash, to turn users PCs into zombies.

Does the IA plan to begin running virus checks on ALL files uploaded to it?

As for size of uploads, is it not something the uploader can check in his head, i.e, is the file bigger than what the IA says it can take? Using software to make that decision is going to turn the human race into non-thinking robots dependant on computers and software, for the most basic of decisions.

Was it "broken" in the first place?

Have you heard of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it?"

I wonder if the change was as a consequence of people having faster internet access now, because originally, with dial-up, people could only manage one file at a time.

So you could say, the change results it people no-longer having to set up files to upload, one by one, one after the other.

What I have found, is allowing Flash to run on my PC, XP and Firefox, my CPU keeps hitting 100%, (55% without Flash) making my I/O lock up, so I can no longer multi task, as in getting other files ready, or monitoring email etc.

I suspect lots of people, whom use older computers because that is all they ever needed to do what they want on the WWW are finding Flash BREAKS their system by overloading their CPU.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 18, 2009 3:22am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Just a quick addition, years ago when I did some programming in BASIC on the Amiga, it was extremely easy to write code which when running, checked every key pressed, for validity, and thus to prevent bad things happening.

With Flash, how can anybody be sure of anything, because FLASH does SO MANY THINGS, so much more than just double file uploads, checking file size and the bytes uploaded.

Can the IA ever be sure that FLASH does not end up doing something bad?

And BTW, has use of FLASH resulted because Brewster has got a new file server from Sun, packaged in ONE standard sized shipping container, with heaps of spare capability, such as to run FLASH?

Could usage of FLASH have been recommended by SUN as part of the server upgrade?

I also have an alterer motive for this second posting, I want to monitor a change in postings, which is confusing, maybe its FLASH.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 18, 2009 1:11pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

I noticed there was a reoccuring probleme with flash player adobe when I started to connect dead.net ,but then it got fixed, I don't really know how ,and since then the thing doesn't bother me anymore with request to do the adobe bit over and over again,so,as it's works now ,I ain't got to fix it . Ouf!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Aug 18, 2009 11:28am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

yep was broken badly.
FTP uploads was a constant problem here
and users complained constantly about the
problems it caused.

"it was broke so we fixed it"

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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 18, 2009 1:02pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Interesting that I used ftp uploads for my digital library and never had problems until OCLC integrated adobe reader and flash into their project client.

Gerry

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 18, 2009 8:30pm
Forum: texts Subject: Shock Horror, I am in shock

The Archive downloads FLAT OUT in the last hour.

For a few hours before it was totally DOWN.

But was it my system upgrade or was it the Archive down for an upgrade?

Can somebody tell me?

I spent a day going thru my fault logging, researching, and I discovered an optional Windows upgrade, which I first had trouble using, further research gave me another upgrade to do first.

Was it me, or the Archive doing a fix, in any case, I will post links to my upgrade sources shortly, maybe Gerry knows from looking at my upgrades whether it helped fix things for me.

I have got other WWW commitments first, I might notice improvement elsewhere, but amazingly, I just noted my CPU is down to 6%, hitting 45% spikes when various Apps check the WWW, this morning, when I had no tabs open for the Archive, it was hunting constantly, 55% to 75%

My error logs, did suggest the issue began way back when Gerry began having trouble, and I posted that something major had changed, and all my Apps were getting updates.

MS changed something.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 18, 2009 8:45pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shock Horror, I am in shock

I have not ever seen my CPU down to 3% before when using Firefox, yes, I suspect now an issue happened with IE8 came out.

I suspected MS might have done something with, or for IE 8, to discredit Firefox.

the upgrade I got, I am guessing was needed due to a new IE8 feature which Firefox got in 3.5 recently

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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 18, 2009 8:56pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shock Horror, I am in shock

The archive was down; since they usually do not say why we can only guess. There is a problem with processes runnig while using flash and other plugins. Be sure to go into the start menu and delete all adobe and flash processes set to run on startup; they are not needed. A good piece of software for this is open source Ccleaner at:

http://www.ccleaner.com/

also try out defraggler and recuva; two other good software apps.

I guess you both saw the message from Pooh. Apparently they think that flash is the next best thing since sliced bread. We will just have to deal with it from our end. As I said you should use kmeleon as the browser; it has very litle overhead and will not hit your processor as hard.

I am putting things up but the share button is very flaky.

Best wishes,

gerry

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Poster: cacadong Date: Jan 6, 2011 5:05pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shock Horror, I am in shock

I agree with you. cleanning registry and defrag help to improve computer performance. Also you can check system services using freeware T55

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 18, 2009 11:00pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shock Horror, I am in shock

I got further info re Pooh's posting.

Also, it appears my updates were relevant, I am just preparing a posting with the info, I need to do a restart on Firefox, to see if any issue repeats, also a HDD of mine had some errors today, I think maybe caused by my upgrade, whatever, I just changed a setting, which should fix it.

My updates seem to have really fixed everything on my PC, so whatever the Archive was down for, I still had issue to fix myself, my informant told me it was related to a FlASH conflict. But I am researching that before I comment, but my earlier posting to reply to Pooh appears extremely relevant now, my informant is not aware of the IA or my issues with it. So, his information was unsolicited.

Like me, he has Asperigers Syndrome, and he is on the WWW almost 24/7 but with different interest, so he picked up tit-bits of info elsewhere that fitted my info.

That SHARE button drives me crazy, very likely some people with epilepsy could have seasures triggered by it

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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 19, 2009 6:12am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shock Horror, I am in shock

Peter,

Down load Ccleaner from this link:

http://www.ccleaner.com/download

It will help clean up registry issues after every upgrade of installation of software.

Gerry

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 19, 2009 8:53pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shock Horror, I am in shock

Gerry

I am now catching up. Could you repeat your advice, for one reason, I need to tell some other people.

The replacement for Windows IE updating. (A friend in the USA could use it

All other suggestions.

However, why not create a doc for the IA of all that?

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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 19, 2009 9:22pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shock Horror, I am in shock

Peter,

Yes I intend to create a doc for what you ask. Answer always seems to be, we must do it ourselves. I am back on the linux box and it is apleasure to work in a well designed environment. I am using midori for my web browser and it is even faster than keleon (written with GTK toolkit:

http://www.twotoasts.de/index.php?/pages/midori_summary.html

Windiz is at:

http://windizupdate.com/

Windiz states:
Good reasons to use WindizUpdate
No personally identifiable information is collected from your computer.
No more unwanted spyware -- Microsoft Internet Explorer can finally be removed from your computer (if that were possible).
It lists just the updates you need. If an update has been superceded by a newer one, it will not ask you to install the older one.
Using enhanced data from MBSA, WindizUpdate will find more security patches needed for your O/S than the "other" website.
If there is a security issue with a component that is not yet installed, it will not ask you to update it. For example, if you have not installed hyperterminal, it will not update it.
It is not restricted to just Microsoft products. Software from other vendors can also be updated.
Upgrading to the latest version of Internet Explorer is not considered a Critical Update!
Works on Windows versions no longer supported by Microsoft -- Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 95
Our plugin is not an ActiveX control.
Integrated download manager with error detection -- you can cancel downloads at any time, and the next time you wish to install the cancelled update, it will continue from where it left off. Only corrupted sections of the file are redownloaded.

It seems the archive is attempting to mirror Microhit's ideas.

Gerry

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Poster: IndieInvasion Date: Aug 19, 2009 3:01pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

What happens when a user (like myself) doesn't have flash? I have a lot of contributions that I could make to Archive.org but, thanks to the new and "improved" uploader, I cannot submit anything. (I'm running 64bit linux and guess what? No flash!

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 19, 2009 7:15pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Good point,

No FLASH is immensely safer. Do you think that the Open Source People might know something that Pooh does not?

Note two keys words in Pooh's work around suggestion.

"For now"

I suggest, get in fast, and dont be surprised when that BUG in FLASH is fixed, and you are locked out again.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Aug 19, 2009 3:07pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

good point.
for now a hack that will work is try to upload a 0-byte file.
that will flip on some instructions on how to upload "large files"
without the flash piece.
you should be able to follow those directions to upload w/o flash.

--tracey

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 19, 2009 7:21pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Tracey,

Appoliges, somehow I missed your first name, possibly because some other member was using your surname only. PS, why when I am replying to a posting, can I not see the posting I am relying too?

While I always speak my mind, I never make fun of names, unless of cause, its in humour which the other "victim" party understands and enjoys.

Politeness and respect to ladies like you, is important to me (As us men can not do without you ladies)

Admittedly, recently I gave another lady on the forum a hard time, BUT only after first trying some polite education, which did not sink in, so within minutes I researched her, found out her real motivation, posted that to the forum, and has she been back?

Before that research, just after my first explanation attempt which Gerry emailed me off list, saying it was a good write up by me, I responded to him saying that I believed that request for digitising books felt to me as having commercial motivations, for which I meant, the books requested weren't for personal use, there was something left unspoken.

One member directed her to Glutenberg as a source for her requests, not once did she reply that she was member there, and created E-books herself.

But in all the hits on her name when I searched, NOT ONE hit was anything to do with requesting books to be digitised, or located.

In other words, SHE was USING us AND not being up front.

Please clarify your role with the IA, Tracy. I am hoping to set up an open and frank (and polite) discussion on the changes being made, and changes contemplated, in the interests of all us working together towards a continuing useful Archive.

One suggestion that might help people without the infamous FLASH, is it possible that if there is no option for the future but have FLASH, that an extra front end interface, maybe elsewhere on the WWW could be set up, which non-FLASH users could log into, and do their work, and this separate interface translates into FLASH instructions for the new IA uploading interface, that will only accept FLASH users?

It could even become an Open Source project, to bypass FLASH all over the WWW.

If so, then EVERYBODY will have their needs catered for, and the IA's WW3 will be at an end before it goes thermonuclear.

Peter Lateral Thinker.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Aug 22, 2009 12:13am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

i could be an adobe spy!

an update is trickling out slowly (we just converted our code repository from CVS to a newer "repo" and for various reasons it will unfortunately take all night to update most servers. we'll get/redo the laggards in the morning).

said update will allow a user who does not have flash, does not have it enabled, is having problems with flash, or does not like flash (or make up your own reason) to use the nonflash version of the uploader. this version, i may point out, has been 100% available/working from the start. however, we've been trying to tweak how to show this to users w/o cluttering and confusing their page. thus, it was not easily discovered until this week.

tomorrow or early next week we will update further to have something like a "not flash" link on the [Share] button area to go right to the nonflash version.

--tracey




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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 22, 2009 1:52am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Tracey,

Your answer to how to tell people re uploading

Two big buttons, labelled as

> The easy no-frills way to upload

> The complicated, secruity hazard, risky, cookie riddled FLASH way to try and upload something, use at your own risk.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 22, 2009 6:03pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Tracy,

Amazing, Gerry was unaware of your >>>>surrender<<<< message.

I have enlighten him, he will be commenting as soon as he recovers from the shock.

Peter

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 22, 2009 1:33am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Tracey

I AM surprised!!!!! I thought I would never hear from you again.

Did Brewster get upset with our comments, and got stuck into you in frustration? Maybe the hair I lost 15-years ago, will grow back now.

But then, noting your first sentence, what does Adobe need spies for, unless of-cause, you mean that you yourself are a FLASH COOKIE?

Of-cause you are the lady in charge of making the Archive more complicated, and now have learnt the error of your ways. (for now?)

I was not worried so much about Adobe, I was more worried that Brewster might forget our rights to free speech.

But then, the genie is out of the bottle already, once I found that Wiki exposé on FLASH, we turned out attentions towards Adobe.

8-hours ago Gerry emailed me off list saying "I think we shook them [Brewster and Co] up."

Tell Brewster thanks, and give yourself a pat on the back too, but, be aware we will be watching, and WE dont need cookies or spies to do that.

Peter

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Aug 23, 2009 5:28pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Hiya Miss Tracey, I just thought I would hop in here and say Thank You for you hard work, No complaints here, I think the new share button works wonderfully after I got used to it. I went from 146kb/s to 260kb/s uploading, Very nice. I wish I could have the drop down menu to load direct to OTR or Classic TV instead of just going to open source but thats not a biggie.

Again Thanks for all you do. I know its a thankless job so I wanted you to know That it is appreciated.


Mike D

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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 24, 2009 5:56am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Tracey,

Yes; I tested it on some journals I was working on:

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=long%20Island%20Forum%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts

Other than a few problems with the ISP at my end, it wokred well running on Kmeleon.

Gerry

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Aug 27, 2009 12:34pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

thanks gerry for letting us know!

(and for the record, i wouldn't say that either you or "Time Traveller" sort of "shook us up" or made Brewster capitulate or something. mostly, we've been aware there's been some vaguely reported issues w/ the uploader and hadn't had the time/prioritization to really go after them (and from end, didn't have good ideas on how to fix a few suspected issues). i finally got time/brainpower to dive into things, actively solicit issues, and really start (and hopefully continue to for a bit) to go after them and fix them in earnest).

glad we are collectively making The Archive a better place!

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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 27, 2009 12:45pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Tracey,
I really am not interested in shaking things up; just as an engineer; I am almost fanatical about optimizing systems and things that I do personally. Think it would be better for everyone to work together for the Archive as a common goal; probably better to do it on the developer list. I tried sending messages to that list but keep getting bounced. Like the method for deleting unwanted file sets automatically that I posted on the text forum just now; however I just do not know where the best place is to present that type of information. I think that I have over 90 collections in the digital library that I set up for my organization. I am trying to convince them to move the entire operation over to the archive and am presently writing some grants to hopefully fund a front-end to allow our users to place the items in specific collections more easily. Probably if I can get the funding, the archive developers would be the place to go to get this done. OCLC is just terrible and comparing Contentdm to the Archive is like comparing a garbage dumpster to the Mona Lisa.

I would like to set up at least 20 more collections for the materials which I am putting up from my personal collection; but the process is not as simple as it could be. What I do on my sites is to have Header and footers which I control and them have form objects on the web pages which are stored in a MYSQL DM. Users with access can then go into a restricted access part of the site and update everything which they have the permission to update. I could simply fill in templates for each collection, which would take a lot of work load off of the person responsible for maintaining the increasing number of collections. I do not mind maintaining the template for my own collection. Just that the current way takes much to long. I just started a large batch of public domain comics; but not collection page yet. I understand how busy it must be there, so this is not a criticism. Thank you for the good work, actually your file uploads work much better than Contentdm, I won’t bore you with the reasons; but I am much more productive with this Interface than with theirs.

Gerry

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 27, 2009 8:41pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Just for the record, I believe if it was not for us shaking things up, we would still have been both waiting for repairs, and waiting to hear from you.

After all, you never bothered telling people there was a known issue, so people WASTED their time reliving they were at fault.

And once you became aware of the issue, did you ever think of reverting backwards, or were you using us as guinea pigs while you were trialling and erring?

Ms Tracy, maybe you had your priorities wrong, but wont admit it.

How long does a brief posting to the Forum take, to keep members informed and not annoyance?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Aug 27, 2009 9:37pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

oh TT, seems like there's often a 'blame first'...

my #1 priority is keeping data safe. so anything that is risking damage to our enormous archive takes priority.

we get a lot of people who aren't reporting accurately or confused about what they say and so it takes time to sort out reports, anecodes, etc.

lastly, it's not like i had a list of 3-10 known bugs that i sat on and laughed at struggling people while saying nothing. you think i want to take a lot of guff in forums or elsewhere? 8-)

no there were suspected unreproducible issues and vague reports so i suspected various issues and bugs were there but needed to find help identifying the problem(s) and then trying to fix/workaround.

the "non-port 80 blocking" was the most extensive fix yet with an entire overhaul of all the communication/flow.

anyway, we're doing what we can as we can.

think of us like a library in your hometown. understaffed, overrun, underfunded, but still trying to do everything they can to keep the patrons as happy as they possibly can. it's really like that here, honest.

you'd be surprised to know how few tech coders there are here...
-t


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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 28, 2009 1:12am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

one minute was all it takes to post a warning that you thought there might be trouble with the new Flash, I do know you work unpaid, you are busy, but you are NOT unique, ARE YOU?

So, one minute to post a warning or message.

I am now thinking, that the truth is, you HAD NOT though about telling people anything, hoping it would be resolved before anybody got badly affected.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 28, 2009 1:18am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

sorry for the double up, but seems the forums need the attention of Tracy's skills now

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 28, 2009 1:23am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

By the way, I have noticed my library being understaffed, maybe its because they show respect to their patrons.

The other thing is Pooh, I went polite and used your first name once I noticed it, I have been signing off as Peter, yet al the respect you show is to use TT.

Yes, I have noticed there is a shortage of Tech Coders, so I am sadden that all the Archive could get was YOU.

More than once Gerry offered his help, he is immensely more experienced than you.

As i said, it takes just ONE minute to post a notice about issues on the Archive.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 28, 2009 1:29am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

correction, I have NOT noticed my library being unstaffed

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Aug 28, 2009 10:01am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Peter,
sorry about using tt -- i was typing a quick response before bed and remembered your handle was Time Traveler but wasn't 100% sure that i was right to recall you had signed "Peter" in prior posts.

-tracey

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 28, 2009 9:32pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

You are forgiven Tracy.

I admit I am glad you fixed everything that broke when you went FLASH

Peter

Ps, is it all fixed? Takes just one minute to post and tell us, so how about a "Status of IA" notice?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Aug 28, 2009 9:43pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Peter,

As far as I know, there are no known bugs or issues from my end.
I *did* just push a small suggested change to make it more obvious
not to press the "sample" [share] button (and that instead we mean
to press the [share] button in the upper right corner (near the login)).

other than that, that's it from my end.

(of course, I'm sure that there are some browser/OS combos out there
that could be having troubles by the very nature of javascript -- but
every place I have looked to re-solicit info/reports, etc. I haven't heard
any bugs/issues since checking in the last few days)

(the last major bug was another person had issues that he and i worked through which ultimately proved to be due to his work blocking non-80 ports to the internets).

--tracey, 136 years old now ;-)

This post was modified by tracey pooh on 2009-08-29 04:43:10

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 28, 2009 9:50pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Dear Tracey, 136 years old now and counting,

We at least agree about your age too.

Have a great weekend

Peter, 150 and counting down

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 28, 2009 1:12am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

one minute was all it takes to post a warning that you thought there might be trouble with the new Flash, I do know you work unpaid, you are busy, but you are NOT unique, ARE YOU?

So, one minute to post a warning or message.

I am now thinking, that the truth is, you HAD NOT though about telling people anything, hoping it would be resolved before anybody got badly affected.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Aug 28, 2009 10:07am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

and for the record so you don't have something else to hammer me on

i *am* a paid member of the archive staff.
(i have been here 5 years this "stint" (did another job for 4 years in the middle) and was here for 4 years prior to that)

--"pooh"

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Aug 28, 2009 9:30pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

That makes you close to 135-years old, Tracey

I hope they pay you well enough, in perks, unlimited downloads of the stock in trade

Peter

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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 22, 2009 7:52pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Pooh,

Actually I use both methods, Flash interface in my office and non-flash when I am using linux at home. The flash uploader has the advantage of uploading the item while working on it. And I have to admit that it appears to be faster. Some browsers like midori and arora seem to lock up more often when they are running the flash applet. I think iceweasel handles it the best, actually better than mozilla on windows. Running it on linux is not really a problem if it works. My issues are with how invasive those plugins are on the windows platform. I have fixed this in my hacked version of XP. Since the dangerous registry keys are deleted, I only allow flash to have access to certain keys.
However none of this is an issue if we can upload with both flash and non-fash interfaces. I still would much prefer the previous way of uploading; but a choice of both aptions is the best of all possible worlds.

Gerry

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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 22, 2009 10:12pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Shockwave flash and share button

Pooh,

Just an aside; I drive a 1969 Chevrolet Pickup and a 1974 Plymouth Valiant. Even though my specialty is in handling complex systems; in real life I prefer simplicity. But that is another story.